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As per data policies we dont allow sports that are multi network, as Women's state of origin is as you can watch it on Sky in NZ and Nine hasnt been the exclusive broadcaster in Australia until this year 

In that case, I'd also like to clarify other rugby league titles that I've been working on.

* Thursday Night Football https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/17871/live-nrl-thursday-night-footy - This is shown on Channel 9, but the match is also shown on Fox League since that channel's inception. (I assume the NZ issue also applies)

* NRL: Super Saturday https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/82506/nrl-super-saturday - I know this is Australian exclusive to Fox, but not sure if NZ simulcast disqualifies it?

Are fox league and Nine owned by the same broadcaster? 

If NZ are airing either series then that would disallow the shows been added. 

No, these are two different networks, both with joint broadcasting rights to the sport. Fox League is a cable/ pay TV channel showing every game of the regular season. Channel 9 is a free-to-air operator showing three games per week/round. They do not share owners.

So Thursday night footy needs removing too. 

Is the simulcast of the Saturday show exactly what the Aussie broadcast is? No other presenters, commentators etc? 

Sorry for the delay.

The Saturday show is the only Australian broadcast. I haven't compared with New Zealand, but I'm pretty sure they use their own presenters and commentators because ours are all Australian, and occasionally, games are played in NZ, and the graphics from Sky Sport NZ come through the overseas feed, but we don't see their hosts or hear their commentators.

So I think it's an Australian broadcast using Sky Sports' host feed when the game is in NZ.

So to clarify, there’s usually one feed coming out of the stadium going to all broadcasters. 
Fox League use it on every game, and on Saturday nights they are the sole Australian broadcaster. Sky Sports would be the NZ equivalent, though not being from there, I can’t fully confirm. I do know however that they act as host broadcaster for games over there. 
Channel 9 in Australia produce their own coverage from the same stadium feed (with their own inserts) for three games per week with their own hosts, commentators etc.

No you dont need to check something thats policy, that ive linked you too, no. If it makes you feel better though and any "top officials" would like to back me up. @RoseRed , @Aidan , @MTQueenie , @WatchingTV, @LadyShelley 

Just checking you have read the policy too? We do only do this if their is no official source telling us any different, i did mention that at the same time I linked policy to you. 

I am not really involved in anime or any animation in general, but based on the policy quoted below I tend to agree with Tom's opinion here, though I understand it can become a tedious process in the long run if a main cast plays a significant amount of different roles.

Many animations have the role 'Additional Voices' listed separately from the rest of the cast. If this is the case, each actor needs their own 'Additional Voice' character and this should always be credited as a co-starring role. If a main cast actor appears as 'Additional Voices' and their name only appears as a main cast member, they should have a main cast 'Additional Voice' character added, if not they should be treated the same as any other guest characters with the same role. Each actor should only ever have one 'Additional Voice' character throughout their time on the show. (for example Billy West in Futurama)

In most circumstances, voice actors are credited based on their standing within the realm of their work and as such some actors only playing small roles will always be credited as show stars regardless of which show they appear in or how often. That being said, some major voice actors will sometimes only appear as 'Additional Voices' or as guest stars. 

I don't really watch anime but yes if the credits on-screen doesn't differentiate between main and guest cast then everyone would be main cast unless the official site or a press release indicates clearly which is main cast. Doesn't the official site list those they consider to be main cast even if the credits dont?

This is why the animation policy is different from live-action shows. The credits do not follow the usual standard. Tom is correct in how animation shows should be edited. 

@MTQueenie 

Thank you all. I think I've been given similar or same answer and before, and that is...

"...everyone would be main cast unless the official site or a press release indicates clearly which is main cast."

...which means official site info trumps how the credits are displayed. The thing is, official sites for anime list main characters, they most obviously never list some side character that appear in episode 748 and says nothing but "Hello there!". But does listing main characters on official site indicate that only these are main characters?

Official sites often have "Characters" link where they list characters, they don't have "Main Characters" and "Other Characters".

Let's check some concrete example, for example, for Meitantei Conan -- https://www.ytv.co.jp/conan/character/

You can see on character page there isn't every single random character that appears in individual episodes. They listed characters (even test saying "全キャラクター" means "all characters"), but that is far from all. What they listed are characters of importance, and they are all characters that appear in cannon manga episodes. There's not a single character from filler episodes.

Let's take an example of Shielf Hero anime -- https://shieldhero-anime.jp/ (click on "Characters" link)

Here we can see there are 16 characters on this site. For anyone who watched this show and all its seasons, they will know that first three characters are undoubtedly true main characters. Here they included more that are dominant, meaning 16, but in the TV series there are far more that are credited together.

But what about Wind Breaker anime -- https://wb-anime.net/

Here, there is actual list under "Cast" which lists 21 voice-actors and characters, as well as "Character" section which lists also 21 characters. So does that mean these are only main characters?

As you can see, official anime websites always list characters, and they always list them under "Characters" and in that single list it's usually main + dominant recurring characters, but they never explicitly state it. In the show credits, these, along with any other minor roles are all credited together, and they are just listed under "Cast" (not explicitly ever stating "main" or "guest" either).

So does this qualify for the fact where "official site or press release indicate clearly which is main cast"?

Which should I follow, web sites like these, or credits?

As per policy. You'd follow the official websites in all these instances. 

Okay, got it. So characters they decide to list I should consider main cast. All the rest I should think of as guest cast.

Good, then anime won't have the problem of treating everyone as main cast... at least not the anime that have web sites. Thanks.

As per our policies I added credits based on-screen. Each episodes credits were checked and verified. If you watch the show (I havent) and need to move anyone to credits only - go ahead. Its not something Im interested in watching. 

Going to tag @TonyMayhew in here as we discussed previously but I cant honestly remember how we said we would include it. I think we'd go with the show that typically airs first on the schedule, we could then use a eisode note to link the crossover episode on both guides. In that case it would be Emmerdale rather then Corrie. 

Yes, it can only be added to one guide, as listing the episode on both shows would cause a schedule conflict.
The only other option to list them on both guides is to add it as normal to Emmerdale, and then also add it to Corrie without a time slot (With an episode note) so that a schedule conflict wouldn't appear.

I'm open to you listing it as you see fit, so I'll leave it in your hands :)

I suppose since it will be a one off special, it cannot have a seperate show of its own within the franchise. I like the idea of adding as a special to Emmerdale and then adding it Corrie list without a airdate.

If another episode is commissioned we would definitely move it to its own guide but we are both happy for you to decide how it's added :). 

You guys have been here far longer than I have, so you’re the experts. That said, I would love to see this crossover made viewable on both the soaps’ pages, to truly showcase what a historic event in soap opera history it is.

Thanks :)

Go for both but I would say so we aren't duplicating credits add all stars as stars to that Emmerdale episode (the one on the schedule) and we will make sure episode notes are added to link people between guides and episodes etc.

I have created the episode in the Emmerdale lis and added Emmerdale cast members, Should I add Corrie's cast as guest row or I should also add them to main list?

Main cast please as thats what they are on either show. 

@PrinceofNorth I think the show can actually have its own guide - today a insignificant special 'Countdown to Corriedale' got released on YouTube. This would qualify it as having multiple episodes and would solve all issues re: Scheduling and Cast.

I am happy with the a separate entry for this event. It will surely with all the issues. I think you should go ahead and create a new guide for Corriedale.

I haven't added anything but the show as Im about to head to work- are you okay filling in the rest please

https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/89156/corriedale

Yes, I will fill in the rest. Thank You :)

I think I have added all the necessary things and whenever you are free, please delete the Corriedale special from Emmerdale list and also remove all the Corrie cast members that I have added or that special. Thank You :)

Think i got them all, thanks :)

I cant think of anything specific, feel free to do whatever you need to and let me know if you need any help

Thanks for reaching out

Tom

Thanks Tom, just thought I'd check before making huge changes. I will crack on.

Danny.