Congratulations for the excellent website Tv Maze.
In the "Shows" in my opinion, I think the "show status" should be "canceled" for the canceled series because they are together with the completed series (Ended). In this way we do not know whether a particular series was ended or canceled.
RangerX13 wrote:
Congratulations for the excellent website Tv Maze.
In the "Shows" in my opinion, I think the "show status" should be "canceled" for the canceled series because they are together with the completed series (Ended). In this way we do not know whether a particular series was ended or canceled.
We discussed that issue before we started the website and decide to just go with "Ended", because alot of times there are endless discussions if a specific show has been properly ended or canceled, to avoid that we simplified this :)
And thank you for your kind words :)
cheers
Juan
JuanArango wrote:
We discussed that issue before we started the website and decide to just go with "Ended", because alot of times there are endless discussions if a specific show has been properly ended or canceled, to avoid that we simplified this :)
Juan
Agreed. Many critics, official releases, and the networks themselves use the words "ended" and canceled" interchangeably. Look at any given list of "cancelled" shows for a given year in the U.S., and you'll see that they just lump everything under "cancelled."
RangerX13 wrote:
Congratulations for the excellent website Tv Maze.
In the "Shows" in my opinion, I think the "show status" should be "canceled" for the canceled series because they are together with the completed series (Ended). In this way we do not know whether a particular series was ended or canceled.
We do not know whether it was ended or canceled, but what we do know is that it won't continue anymore and isn't that the purpose?
Thomas wrote:
We do not know whether it was ended or canceled, but what we do know is that it won't continue anymore and isn't that the purpose?
Of course we know if a show was cancelled or ended properly.... ;) Come on.
But "Ended" works, i'm not arguing this. But to say you don't know if a show was cancelled or terminated that's incorrect.
Judging from the number of times contributors at TVRage changed edited to canceled and back again and vice versa, using sources like below, I'd says that "we" don't know. And then there was Ended/Canceled... :(
It would be more accurate to say we don't always know if a show was cancelled or ended. It's not helped when the the producers, networks, and trade papers themselves use the term "cancelled" when they (presumably) mean "ended." And vice versa.
For instance, was Mythbusters canceled or ended?
Variety uses the term "end"
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/mythbusters-discov...
TVLine says it was "cancelled":
http://tvline.com/2015/10/21/mythbusters-cancelled...
So... which is right? And why do two experienced news sources disagree?
Of course you'd pick an alternative program...
In case of scripted shows, we know when a show is ending or is cancelled. Right ? You won't tell me that Constantine was ended and that lost got cancelled for example.
I personnally don't watch alternative programming much, considering there is usually not cliffhangers to these, Ended would be correct but you'll have to check what Syfy sent out. They're not renewing it, so it's cancelled per se. But in essence it ends.
I know people really dislike the use of the term cancellation for shows that have a real end and vice versa. I understand their reasoning, but the end result is the same : the show ends whether you use ended or cancelled. However in one case, the show has a real end, in the other when the production wasn't aware of it, it's cancelled. I can see a few shows where they had time to know the writing was on the wall and even though they weren't renewed, they had a real end : Tomorrow people (CW), the Mob Doctor. But in both case, we know they were cancelled not ended like Lost or Chuck for example.
That's what I was answering to. Were they so many people who actually fought over the status of an alternative program ? Because that would be very surprising to me. Not saying it wasn't the case, but it would have been weird.
TVMaze is filled with alternative programs. I just picked one that had recently been cancelled/ended/whatever.
Constantine had a real ending, or as much as they could have given they were only signed for 13 episodes initially. There are also shows like Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, which had even more of a definitive ending. But ABC canceled it. Or ended it. Or something. These days, most shows the producers anticipate they will be canceled in 13 weeks so they write it to "end" at that time. Or call it a "limited series." But they leave themselves enough escape hatches that it could continue on. That's different from long-running shows like Lost that get a definite ending.
And we're just talking about the last decade or so. The idea of a show having a definite ending is relatively new. Sometimes shows just ran until they reached the end of their natural life, got to the end of the season, and the network didn't pick them up. Spy shows and westerns in the 60s are good examples. The fad ran dry and the networks said, "Yeah, let's go with the next big thing."
There were TVRage contributors who fought over the status of all shows, "regular" or alternative. It didn't help that initially, I believe only Canceled/Ended existed, and later the site owner added Canceled and Ended as separate categories in addition to Canceled/Ended. So those all had to be fixed, and people disagreed with which had happened to them.
Then you had people that would take something that had deliberately been marked as Canceled or Ended, and changed it back to Canceled/Ended. I never did understand what the heck that meant. So they were... taking something that someone was sure of it, and making it unsure?
Oh i know there is a lot of alternative programs. I just didn't think people would actually have fights over "cancel or end" for this.
I like "Ended". I just don't think you can say today that for scripted shows (which is my emphasis, because i don't watch much else on TV, i'd rather not turn on the tv to be honest) that you won't know if a show is cancelled or ended. But you have a fair point. And i don't do old shows (nad i wasn't around anyway), so that's more your turf than mine.
I have no clue why people would change something like that. Ended or cancelled is the same for me. But again people take issues with the term cancellation or end, not me, others. So Ended is perfect. But you'll have this type of debate all the time, asking for cancelled to be added..
RangerX13 wrote:
Congratulations for the excellent website Tv Maze.
In the "Shows" in my opinion, I think the "show status" should be "canceled" for the canceled series because they are together with the completed series (Ended). In this way we do not know whether a particular series was ended or canceled.
Thank you!
As some people have said, whether a show is "Canceled" or "Ended" is more often a gray area than clear cut, so we chose to combine them in a single status.
Many shows are prepared to go on indefinitely, but at the same time have a wrap up plan in case they get cancelled prematurely. For example, I watched the Continuum series. It was cancelled. The last season is only 6 episodes, which is never a planned scenario. However, they wrapped it up. They gave it a clean ending, but only after they were given only 6 episodes to do so.
DaveJenik wrote:
Many shows are prepared to go on indefinitely, but at the same time have a wrap up plan in case they get cancelled prematurely. For example, I watched the Continuum series. It was cancelled. The last season is only 6 episodes, which is never a planned scenario. However, they wrapped it up. They gave it a clean ending, but only after they were given only 6 episodes to do so.
Ah continuum is not a good example. They were renewed and cancelled at the same time. They were given 6 episodes to wrap it up. Tomorrow people is a better example or even Under the dome.
"Ended" is fine, it encompasses both premature cancellation à la Wicked city (thank ratings) and good ending à la white collar.
Just a thought: ended is fine and great.. maybe on the status it could have a link for more status info. Thanks TvMaze
Too bad that this didn't get any approval :( Before I start to wach a finished sereies I really wolud like to know if the show got an ending because if it is cancelld I wouldn't even bother to start to watch an unfinished story. IMHO There should be a Cancelled status.
@bezel wrote:
Too bad that this didn't get any approval :( Before I start to wach a finished sereies I really wolud like to know if the show got an ending because if it is cancelld I wouldn't even bother to start to watch an unfinished story. IMHO There should be a Cancelled status.
Hi Bezel. I understand where you are coming from. That said, whether a show has an "ending" (proper, good, satisfying, finished...etc) is mostly, IMHO, subjective. I've read opinions of 'great ending' or 'wtf?" that I've wondered what either group is talking about. My tastes are not everyone's tastes.
I take the time to look at ratings here, IMDb (w grainS of salt) etc. Sometimes reviews of various kinds on other sites can help. I use a few tags on some shows - "open-ended", "ended too soon", "cliff-hangar". I have found multiple articles over the years that have actually been titled something like "Shows That Ended Too Soon".
As far as anything seemingly like an 'official' word. That can be worse than reading reviews. (hopeful, story continue, love to come back, interested, open to it, other characters go on maybe, etc....(as in entertainment/fan sites with articles trying to give you the latest scoop (HA!). Then there's across the pond. Rarely do they even say one way or the other. Some great shows have 'series'/seasons 3-4 years apart. One size doesn't fill all! :)
