Arrested Development Season 4 Remix

Sounds like a case of "Versions of a show with the original episodes split into multiple episodes" (https://www.tvmaze.com/faq/13/shows)

What david's referring to is in the Duplicates section under "Explicitly not allowed are..."

david wrote:
Sounds like a case of "Versions of a show with the original episodes split into multiple episodes" (https://www.tvmaze.com/faq/13/shows)

Just playing Devils Advocate but this seems to be more than splitting 15 into 22 as it sounds like, to me anyway, scenes from any episode could be cut and used in any other episode all towards having a different look and feel. It would almost be like taking a 15 chapter/1000 page book, ripping all the pages out, shuffling them and putting it back together as a single 22 chapter/1000 page book ... same words and all but, would the two "feel" the same? Perhaps it's an idea to wait and get some feedback from someone who has watched both versions what they think? That someone would not be me as I have not watched show in ages so my opinion and $1.75 gets you a Timmies double/double.

Yeah @SilverSurfer is right. If you aren't familiar, the original S4 episodes each covered the same events from the perspective of one character. So the same story plays out 15 times, from the point of view of 15 different characters. In this new s4 remix, the 15 episodes have all been recut extensively to have a chronological flow of events across 22 episodes. So, for example, they would take the first few minutes of *many different episodes* of the original season and edited them together to form episode 1 of the remix season.

tunefind wrote:
Yeah @SilverSurfer is right. If you aren't familiar, the original S4 episodes each covered the same events from the perspective of one character. So the same story plays out 15 times, from the point of view of 15 different characters. In this new s4 remix, the 15 episodes have all been recut extensively to have a chronological flow of events across 22 episodes. So, for example, they would take the first few minutes of *many different episodes* of the original season and edited them together to form episode 1 of the remix season.

This sounds to me that they are legit to be added.

JuanArango wrote:
This sounds to me that they are legit to be added.

How is it different from http://www.tvmaze.com/threads/3146/la-casa-de-papel-money-heist to make it legit? The situation is pretty much the same – X episodes recut into Y, it's still the same footage, just shuffled around.

And even if it's not – how do you add the same season twice? As specials? But specials could not be in serial format. Legit or not – there's simply no way this could be added, technically.

tnt wrote:
How is it different from http://www.tvmaze.com/threads/3146/la-casa-de-papel-money-heist to make it legit? The situation is pretty much the same – X episodes recut into Y, it's still the same footage, just shuffled around.

And even if it's not – how do you add the same season twice? As specials? But specials could not be in serial format. Legit or not – there's simply no way this could be added, technically.

La casa was not altered in the storyline, it was just cut into more episodes.

But Arrested Development changed the storytelling completely.

JuanArango wrote:
La casa was not altered in the storyline, it was just cut into more episodes.

But Arrested Development changed the storytelling completely.

By using exactly the same footage, no? So technically there's no difference, the footage is duplicate. The order of it's placement doesn't really matter.

I'm with tnt on this one, I don't think it should be added either.

According to the policy it's simple, if it's exactly the same footage (no less and no more), it's not allowed.

That's not exactly what I had in mind with those rules though. Those cuts are usually made just to fit a different timeslot and in those cases the duplicate is worthless to have. But in this case it seems the episodes are cut so heavily that the whole meaning behind the episodes changes, in which case it could be worthwhile to have.

But regardless, I don't see how we could add this. It's not technically possible to have two seasons with the same number, so we can't have two season 4's. Adding them all as specials would be against the rules on serial specials and probably wouldn't be very helpful as they wouldn't have any numbering.

Curious on how Netflix is going to list this in their own UI, but even though I'd be open to rewriting the policy for this scenario I don't see how we could technically add it.

Just an idea, but if it is worthwhile to have the redone season listed, and technical issues prevent it ... new series, 'Arrested Development Season 4 Remix: Fateful Consequences' ? Or, consider the recuts as just a continuation of season 4 as additional episodes?

As I read the EW story, it says Ron Howard recorded new narration for the recut season ... so some content is newly added ...

SilverSurfer wrote:
Just an idea, but if it is worthwhile to have the redone season listed, and technical issues prevent it ... new series, 'Arrested Development Season 4 Remix: Fateful Consequences' ? Or, consider the recuts as just a continuation of season 4 as additional episodes?

As I read the EW story, it says Ron Howard recorded new narration for the recut season ... so some content is newly added ...

That's possible, but kind of illogical, considering that it wasn't intended to be a stand-alone series. Could you watch it as it is, not being familiar with the previous seasons?

Anyways, it's out tomorrow, so I suppose you would tell us, how big is the difference with the original season 4? ;)

tnt wrote:
That's possible, but kind of illogical, considering that it wasn't intended to be a stand-alone series. Could you watch it as it is, not being familiar with the previous seasons?

Anyways, it's out tomorrow, so I suppose you would tell us, how big is the difference with the original season 4? ;)

Nope, I haven't watched the series in awhile and am terribly behind but I hope someone who has watched season 4 & 4b can come here and give their thoughts ... perhaps @tunefind will give us their opinions in a few days once they've had time to watch.

Funny thing, as a viewer I like when producers invent a new ways to entertain us (successful or not), but at the same time, as TVmaze contributor, I hate when they invent a new ways to complicate things and screw with us once again :)

tnt wrote:
Funny thing, as a viewer I like when producers invent a new ways to entertain us (successful or not), but at the same time, as TVmaze contributor, I hate when they invent a new ways to complicate things and screw with us once again :)

I used to work for the feds and found 98% of our work was caused by 2% of the people ... it's the twists, turns and curve balls that make life/work/online TV DBs interesting ... not easy, just interesting. :)

SilverSurfer wrote:
I used to work for the feds and found 98% of our work was caused by 2% of the people ... it's the twists, turns and curve balls that make life/work/online TV DBs interesting ... not easy, just interesting. :)

Couldn't agree more :) I just wish that our rules would be more flexible, to allow resolve of non-standard scenarios other ways besides explicit reject )))

tnt wrote:
Couldn't agree more :) I just wish that our rules would be more flexible, to allow resolve of non-standard scenarios other ways besides explicit reject )))

What one person can code, another can come up with a scenario to break that coding. Just as I did at work, I keep asking 'stupid' questions because sometimes outa stupid comes a possible way forward ... if season 5 has to follow season 4 ... why can't the DB be adjusted to accept season 4.5 to fit in bewteen? It's a bit of a kludge but if it works and handles this case ... ? Just askin' ...

This is super-obnoxious from a data management perspective. Interestingly, Netflix has completely replaced the original Season 4 with the new remix episodes, and hidden the original season 4 episodes under the trailers and extras menu. (That original s4 did suck.)

On our site we're debating between just adding a second season 4 and specifying "Season 4 - Original" and "Season 4 - Remix" versus just listing the additional episodes within our existing season 4, and prefacing all original episode titles with "ORIGINAL" and remix episode titles with "REMIX". That second option may require some fiddling to make the original and remix episodes to list properly grouped, but the first option may also require some fiddling to make one menu work correctly. Annoying for an edge case, for sure.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2018/05/04/arrested-development-season-4-remix-review-netflix-mitch-hurwitz-jason-bateman-jeffrey-tambor/580081002/

USA Today review. Spoiler alert, they like the remix better.